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Crutchfield: The Podcast Ep. 12

The gang talks podcasting gear

In this episode:

The gang's (virtually) back together for the finale of Season 1. J.R. and Eric catch up on their work-from-home lifestyle and chat with Lex (aka Alexander H.), Crutchfield: The Podcast producer. They talk about the origin of the podcast, what they've learned along the way, some of their favorite podcasting gear, and what to look forward to in Season 2. For more info on how to start your own podcast, check out this article referenced in episode.

Some of the gear discussed includes:

J.R. also answers a customer comment about replacing a Dynaudio speaker in his home theater system. If you have a question for J.R. and Eric, post it in the comments below, and they'll get back to you as soon as they can!

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Hello and welcome to episode 12 of Crutchfield the podcast. I am your host J. R. And I am thrilled to finally be recording a full episode with my partner in crime eric how are you today? Eric happy to be here. So happy to have you. We are of course not in the same room as we would like to be. We are at our respective homes using fancy microphones and headphones and computers and the power of the internet to make this possible which is kind of just become a way of life over these last few months when you say yes by be here. I mean in my basement. Yeah. Uh good for you. I am in my bedroom. We are actually also, yeah we are also joined today by our producer lex who's normally in the room with us when we record the in studio segments of the show but this time we are allowing him to have his own microphone. Welcome Lex, he is miked up. Thank you there. He is glad to be here and by here, I mean my mud room so there there might be a slight echo and I also have to get used to uh knowing when to speak for so long. I've I've I've been all clammed up as you guys talk. Yeah the timing of knowing when to speak on the zoo meetings is kind of crazy. I mean I am an avid podcast listener and to listen to all of my favorite podcast transition from people in a room with each other to people not in a room with each other and listening to the evolution of that how the timing of that works out the sound of that works out. And I got to say most podcasts are doing pretty well with it. I feel like we've adjusted and adapted pretty well to the current state of the world eric how are you doing during the whole quarantine thing here? I'm adapting fairly well. Uh, certainly, uh, you know, working from home with uh, uh, with my wife, working from home with two kids in elementary school, it is certainly, uh, an adjustment. Uh, there are challenges, no doubt. However, uh, at the same time we feel pretty darn fortunate right now. So we're doing okay. We're doing okay. Good. So why do we have lex here today? Let me, let me try to explain it and we'll see if lex has any thoughts on this. So the point of Crutchfield, the podcast is to take advantage of all of the wonderful people that we have working at Crutchfield who get to use and experience and purchase for themselves, the cool stuff that Crutchfield cells and we wanted to talk to them about that to find out why they chose what they, it shows how well they're enjoying it, how they're using it, what music, they're playing, what movies they're watching, what pictures they're taking, all of that stuff. That's kind of the point of the podcast is to really just sort of show off the the wonderful people and gear that we sell and we've, we've been able to do that a bunch so far this podcast season. We've talked to rex about his podcast setup and his gear that he's using into in his man cave. We've talked to Mac about his home theater, which is not a full surround sound, but he doesn't need that and it sounds great. We talk to carter about his Bose frames, which by the way, I have a story about that. I just, I have, I have a pair of those Bose frames now And I went camping last weekend. Let me tell you sitting around the fire. We were, this was camping with my daughter and some of her friends and we were out in the middle of nowhere, very far away from any kind of germs or diseases or viruses. 100%. So we were sitting in a large circle around our campfire and I was the only one jamming to music. Everybody else was sitting there reading a book or talking or falling asleep. I always had music playing and was still able to carry on conversations. I didn't miss a minute. I wasn't lost in a pair of headphones. I wasn't annoying everybody else with a bluetooth speaker with just what I wanted to hear. I wasn't annoying myself by playing the music that everybody else wanted to hear. The best part was when a song came on that I wanted to sing along to, I just started singing. So everybody else, instead of being annoyed by the bluetooth speaker they got to hear me singing, my shot from Hamilton and I do know every single word and it's great, I can, I can tell you from personal experience, it's amazing, so sorry, I missed it, we've had a chance to interview some pretty great employees about the stuff they've got uh and we thought since we have gone through uh learning what it takes to make a podcast here at Crutchfield Lex eric myself, we have all sort of acquired gear to make this possible and to actually put this podcast out and, and lex has been in many ways the driving force behind the technical side of making this actually happen and we thought it would be a good idea to talk with lex about the gear he's using that we are using and how we're putting the podcast together. Lex, do you wanna, you wanna, you wanna share your initial thoughts on that, we can start to dive in? Yeah, sure. Um I started my own podcast about two years ago, um it started by being a podcast fan having certain shows that I live to and from there, I said, I, I just really wanted to try it, you know, and uh working at Crutchfield, being at a place where this gear is accessible, I just kind of took baby steps um started with a concept and got some starter gear for myself and took it from there and then you know, further down the road integrating bit by bit some of the knowledge that I gained from my own podcast, I found out that you were interested in creating a Crutchfield podcast and you know we've we've taken it from there. So what starter gear did you, did you begin with? So I started with a Behringer euphoria mic interface, I didn't even have wired uh studio headphones and I started with the Beringer H P S 3000 which we sell for 1999. So I just thought you know that, that I'm not taking a big chance by by getting these, but it was enough to get me started and I use a Mac and garageband is is built into uh the suite of software, but I had never used it but knew that the tools were there and just cracked it open and and gave it a try, did you find that garageband seemed more geared towards recording music? And did that provide any challenges to simply recording spoken word type stuff? It has a little bit of an intimidation factor in that there are all these options for for musicians and I just kind of put my blinders on and and went with my gut and and and picked the most basic tools to get started and that was that was enough to record my voice and and then from there as I started to to record episodes of my own podcast, I could grow with the software, I could see what tools there were and and kind of stretch my um my skills bit by bit. So there, I mean there's there's things I haven't even touched in in garageband and probably never will because I'm not a musician. But to get the basics done there, there are plenty. So as you learn through the process of doing, you probably discovered weak links in the chain somewhere. Talk about some of the things you realize weren't quite doing it for you and that you needed to upgrade the Beringer is were working really well for me. But um on a comfort level, I I stepped up to some a kg headphones and they've been great as far as my own head shape and and how they work for me. Um I would say stepping up to different microphones, stands has been really useful initially. Um the stand that came with one of the USB microphones. So I actually started with a USB microphone and then stepped up to an interface uh that Beringer interface and that allowed me to do multi track recording, whereas the U S. B. Um it get that's the job done. But these microphone interfaces allow for versatility that I didn't really have before. Um and with an interface just adjusting with a knob fingers to knob is easier instinct for me than to start clicking in software as I'm recording. So, so that's helpful too. So this is in that spot in the podcast where we would normally hit pause on an interview that was pre reQ recorded. And then ERIC and I would interject and explain something technical that just came up and I don't know if ERIC has the expertise to do this. ErIC. Do you know what a computer? I know right. I just totally threw shade on and I know right. Do you know what a microphone interface is that? You know what he's talking about? Are you referring to the virtual uh interface through software versus the interface through like the, I think you're talking about the Barringer piece where you have like Jax to go in. USB out and kind of controls various levels through different inputs. Is that, is that kind of what we're talking about, that kind of thing. Yeah, it's the hardware that I'm talking about. It's not a boat dash. We're not talking about boat dash. Right? No, you're you're stuck on the marine episode. That was several episodes ago. I've got to move past the boat puns. So no, the computer, the mic interface is a piece of gear that sits on your desk near your laptop. It plugs in with the USB cord to your laptop and basically it takes over responsibility for everything. Audio On your laptop. It becomes your sound card and because of all of that, you can plug microphones into it. You can plug other sources, instruments, things like that into it and feed that into your computer. And if you have a good recording software, a daw, a digital audio workstation, like garageband. I'm using a built in light live 10 on my, on my laptop. Uh we're recording into these things using an interface which allows us to be flexible with the number of microphones we're plugging in which microphones, we're plugging in how they're situated around the room. And it's important because as you think about making a podcast, one of the things you gotta figure is how many people will be speaking and if you're going to have more than one, you're going to need an interface uh is probably the best way to do it. And you can get interfaces with many, many, many microphone inputs. You can get them with two or three or just one. Uh There's a, there's an interface for just about every solution. And the last thing before we asked lex to keep on talking here is that microphone stand that is you got to really think about microphone stands like it's something a band has to think of, but uh to record a podcast, you have to put that mic somewhere and you do not want to hold it as you're trying to record a podcast. Yeah, coming from someone that as we speak right now has a very nice mike propped up on a tissue box. Um yeah, I'm in the market for a mic stand apparently. Yeah, so and of course we're doing this over video and I can see that you guys have pretty nice mic stands and I'm pretty jealous as well. You should be my friend. Uh But I can tell you that uh I'm gonna venture to guess here that neither lex nor I have the mic stand. We wish we had. Is that true lex when I think of radio, when I think of podcasts, I think of, you know those, those overhead or sort of crane mic stands, the kind that you see howard stern with right as he can, he can pull it up and and adjust it accordingly. Um And we do have one that actually comes with that, that style of stand, the blue Yeti, which I've been dying to try out, but right now I've got the tabletop mic stand, which which works great. Yeah. And I went out to my garage where they keep the p A. System that we use for my band. And I just grabbed a boom mic stand that we normally would use on stage for our lead singer or for me and my vocals at the drum set. And I threw a mic on it and uh and that is working okay. It kind of gets in the way I've got to move it around a lot. Uh And I definitely wish I had one of those clip on your desk uh spring loaded arms that just sort of holds the mic up and out of the way, so I can see what I want to see, and uh it's uh it's easy to move out of the way when I'm done recording things like that, so, uh and it's uh it's become clear during these last couple of months that there's a ton of people out there recording podcast, because a lot of podcasting gear has been flying off the shelves, so it's pretty clear that a lot of people are taking advantage of this extra time on their hands to to get creative, to put content out there and uh and to and to use podcasting gear to do that. Um so, so lex what microphone is that you're talking into, so that's um, assure Sm 58. Um it's a dynamic microphone. It's, I mean, it's kind of, as I've looked into it more and more, this is, you know, this is like the legendary live vocal mic that countless famous artists have, have used over over the decades. I mean, it's it's a real go to mike, What I have come to learn is is the nature of the dynamic mic versus the condenser mic. Um and the dynamic mic is more directional and and really captures what's right in front of it, as opposed to a condenser mic, which, I mean, maybe j r. You can sort of speak to the difference because you've used both, Right, and and all kinds. Yeah, I've gone through a very similar journey to what you described. I started the Crutchfield podcast before I started my own personal podcast. I went the other direction. I took advantage of my experience at work to put together my own podcast. But well, yeah, what I found out was I went ahead and got a really nice condenser microphone. It's an a K G P to 20 through that on this mic stand, put a pop filter in front of it and never could quite get it to sound right. I am sitting at a desk in my bedroom, tall ceilings, larger room and I just could not get the entire sound of the room out of the recording no matter what I did, post processing stuff, you know, adjusting the mic, adjusting the game, just playing with that until you know, till the cows come home and just could not get it to where I liked it. I went out to the garage again and I grabbed one of our vocal mix that we use on stage, which is one step up from what you are using your using an Sm 58 I'm using a Beta 58 so it's a little bit nicer mike. It's what we sing into when we play out live. I know erIC is jealous right now of our microphones, but but what I found was going from a super hot condenser microphone to uh a a much smaller cardioid pattern that really only picks up right in front of the microphone, it's not a condenser, it's not super sensitive. It's a, it's just a dynamic microphone that really just picks up me talking into it and not the entire room and it sounds more studio, like, like if, like, I hear a lot of podcasters say that they're sitting in their closet, which makes sense because that's a, a small room surrounded with soft clothing and things like that to soak up the sound and give it that in studio feel. And I don't have a closet that makes any sense to record in. Uh, so I'm just sitting here in my bedroom and this is the closest I can get and I found I've been really happy with the results on this. That's awesome. I feel like that as you were, you were talking about that. It made me think that it may even come down to sort of, personality type and, and sort of vocal stylings, even in in the podcast realm as to what works for you. I mean, we're always talking about this as far as gear goes, it's like some of this stuff isn't one size fits all. It's, it's about figuring out how you're going to craft your podcast, how you're going to sort of figure out what your style is for the podcast and what your voice is going to sound like and actually how you behave in front of a microphone, all that plays into which microphone you're going to, in which um, interface, if you're going to use uh an interface, I stepped up to the focus, right, Scarlett two I two when we started doing the Crutchfield broadcast, just because it was a chance for me to just try a different interface. Um that also comes with built bundled in software, so it's like, you know, that even that is a chance for you to figure out what works best for you. Maybe if garageband doesn't, you know, pro tools comes with the focus. Right? And if you have a certain way you deal with software, maybe that's a better fit for me. Garageband just felt intuitive and I I knew how to use it kind of right away. So yeah, the I also upgraded to using a focus, right? Scarlett interface and Pro tools is just one of the choices. You've got several different digital audio workstations to choose from bundled with those focus writes. I started to go down the pro tools road and started reading reviews and it seemed like people were not thrilled with the sort of light version of it and a lot of it being cloud based, there were some limitations. People weren't really digging. So I went and sort of jumped ship and went over to the Mableton Live Light 10, which was also bundled with the focus right? And not much of a learning curve. I've done video editing and stuff like that before. So the interface looked and felt familiar and pretty easy to get, get started. I've done a lot of recording with it here for work. I've even used it for some of the pertinent my personal podcast as well. And uh without having to, you know, spend hours reading the manuals and figuring it out. I was able to record the first day I had the software, so uh pretty happy with that. Uh hey, let's talk about eric's uh audio set up a little bit. Yeah, I just had to, I had to mute my mic because my kids were running around sound like a herd of elephants right above me. So hey, it's a nice day outside man. Tell them to go outside and play in the dirt. Yeah, yeah, I will Here let me mute this. Okay, so I can see your mike. It looks like an A. K. G. Something or other. What like you got there sitting on your tissue box on your desk. That's a great question. So this, it's part of the uh a podcaster bundle. So kind of something to get someone started into podcasting. Um, comes with software comes with a K. G. Mike. Uh as you said. Uh it is the A. K. G. Lyra USB microphone and uh it's pretty neat and that, you know, it's actually got a button on it. I like buttons. We talked about knobs earlier. It's got a volume knobs, got a button that allows for the microphone to pick up sounds coming from behind it, in front of it, uh to the left and right, you know, so if you had to sit on a desk with people in the room, uh it's a good place to start if you want to record multiple people or one person um uh pretty easy set up. And I've been experimenting the bundle that I have came with some uh a K G K 3 71 studio style headphones. Um and I've been experimenting, kind of going back and forth between those and some headphones. I already had, you're using what looks to be Sennheiser. These are the classic HD six hundred's. These guys, I've had these for years, I've literally had these for I think about 20 years now and they're just, they're great, they're open here. I can wear them for long periods of time without stress makers. I think I've talked about them in a previous podcast, but uh the thing that I like about them in this environment um is in case there's an emergency upstairs with my kids or the doorbell rings or the dog barks, I can, I will know that uh and I'm not tuned out to the world around me wearing these headphones, so there's certainly advantages to disadvantage and disadvantages to that setup. Um but I think for me right now it's working out pretty well. Heck, yeah. Hey, so I want to know from each of us what has been our favorite part of doing the podcast so far and I feel like eric I'm gonna put you on the spot and ask you right up front, what what's been your favorite part of doing Crutchfield, the podcast? Um I mean, I mean besides getting to spend all the time, you know, I was gonna lead, I was going to lead with that, of course, um first and foremost, getting to know my coworkers a little bit better, you know, through their gear and their passions. Um I think that's pretty cool. Um you find that you work with a lot of cool people that are into the same kind of things you're into. Nice lex, how about you? I think my favorite moment is when we got our first uh comment from a listener on the uh the podcast page on on Crutchfield, um seeing that and and getting a great response from them and knowing that folks are listening, you know, that it is, it is grown from when we started in in March, um to now, bit by bit, and we've got uh a question from a listener and maybe we'll get to one of those uh later in the episode, but I just thought that was so cool. You know, it was like the first sign of life, like, hey man, we're connecting out there on this, this idea that we had uh a while ago and um and took a chance with. Yeah, we are gonna, we're gonna do that later in the show. We've got the comments sort of queued up here. I'll read the comment, I'll read our answer to it. And yeah, that was exciting. Technically our first comment came from norm, who was one of our advisors here at Crutchfield, who seemed to be really enjoying the podcast. Uh for me, it was really hard to narrow it down to one thing. So I'm gonna lump two things together into one and it is the interviews. It's basically what eric was talking about is meeting and talking with all of these Crutchfield employees. The uh, but it's more than just that for me, I always have sort of dreamed of being like a talk radio host. You know, growing up listening to uh talk radio in D. C. With Don and mike on the, on the air in the mornings. Howard Stern? Uh, the grease man back then, I would work with my dad and he would listen to people like g Gordon liddy and rush Limbaugh. I mean listening to talk radio has been a thing I've been doing since I was a kid and I've always loved the idea and to finally have some version of a talk radio program which podcasting, anybody can be a talk radio host now. It's not hard. Uh and it's a whole lot of fun to be actually be able to do it. So that aspect of it is fantastic for me going and doing those little interviews with all the advisors. I like to do it sort of quick and dirty. You know, I don't set up a huge studio for each of those interviews. I simply, I connect that shore mv 88 plus microphone to my smartphone. I use an apple iphone 11 pro. Uh, and uh, and I sit there and record and it sounds great. I've used it inside, outside at my desk in a big room in the middle of the call center. You can dial it in. You can, I mean, I've been nothing but impressed with that little microphone. Making those interviews sound really good. Hopefully you have found them not too hard to edit. Lex. Is that true? This wouldn't have worked without you guys having uh, just a great way of talking to each other and about the gear and to the other folks around Crutchfield. So that just, it makes it easy for me to, to cut together because you know, we're, we're just talking about the stuff that we talk about every day. Anyway, the pinnacle of all of that for me was the Gary Jacobi an interview, which I didn't get to use that shore microphone for. I got to use my fancy microphone interface, able to live light 10 computer set up an interview. The president and ceo of a major home speaker company. Uh, and uh, believe me, I was a little nervous going into that. But at the same time I sort of called on all of the experience I've had listening to wonderful interviewers over the years. Howard Stern is a great one, Conan O'brien's podcast. He does fantastic interviews, long form interviews, Marc Maron's podcast. Uh, I mean tons of great interviews where at the end of it, it sounded like two people were friends having a conversation and it just felt so fun, so comfortable and natural. He answered all my questions. He had fun stuff to say. I thoroughly enjoyed it. So that's for me, a little bit of validation of what I've always wanted to do and it's been a lot of fun doing it so far. I just love that We have the creative freedom at Crutchfield with, with all the style of, of things that we've done and in the past with the catalog and, and, and stuff on the website and social media that we've just moved into this new territory and tried it out. Um, we've kept the, uh, the investment as far as gear goes to to a minimum just to get this started to see, see if it works. I just think that's, that's so awesome. You know, if you want to start a podcast, your, your investment can be pretty small other than the, your time and energy and passion. But you know, there's no like gatekeepers to any of this stuff. You just give it a try and and with some of the basic tools out there, you can get, you can get going, All you really need is an idea and a small smartphone, you can literally put together a podcast there, our podcast apps that are free. You have a smartphone, if you can, if you can speak into a microphone on your smartphone, you can record a podcast and distribute it and technically you can get paid for it. There are applications and platforms that make that possible. What was that? Okay, so here's the part where we tell eric that we cut him out of a huge amount of money, feel free to reach out. I want to know where that money goes, like I feel like you're going to have the same microphone and the same microphone stand, but you'll be sitting in a, like a throne or a lazy boy that you just thrown provided by sbs. So, so lex, what is the plan for season two? I don't think we have any plans to change what this has always been, which is um Talking to Crutchfield folks about the gear that they're buying for themselves and then that's just a easy translation into what um you know, some of our vendors are buying for themselves and what they love about all this stuff. So the premise of the podcast will not change. Well there's there's lots more people at Crutchfield that we have not talked to. Yeah, we've got 600 or so employees and growing and we've done this is our 12th episode. So that leaves us somewhere in the neighborhood of 588 employees uh, left to talk to about the gear that they are buying and using and loving and enjoying. And if we have opportunities to do other stuff like when a vendor wants to come in and talk to us, then we would probably welcome some pretty cool people. Pretty cool companies getting involved with what we're doing here. And we'll probably put those aside as bonus episodes. Right? So in addition to the main episodes, we're going to throw out every other week or so. We're also gonna do some extra stuff. Is that the plan? You can probably look for some bonus episodes mid to late summer. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. It's going to be some fun stuff. So eric, what are you looking forward to in season two interviewing Bill Crutchfield. Let's do it. What? Whoa. I know we're probably gonna need more listeners before Bill is going to be like on the show talking about the stuff he has at home. Uh, and so I think maybe that's a goal maybe for us to feel really comfortable walking into Bill's office with a microphone and sitting down and asking him, hey, Bill, what stereo you got in your house. I, I'll do it. I'll do it tomorrow actually. But I want to be able to do it. Social social distancing my friend. Oh yeah, I guess I can't do it tomorrow. Not tomorrow. Hey. So we did get a customer comment. Here's here's how here's how it happened. I got an email from lex. I said, oh my God, we got a customer comment. The comment came in from mike from is it me Quan quan? I don't know where that is or how you say it. I should have googled that before. I did this. Emmy Quon Mike from and his comment. This is the first real comment not from norm. Sales advisor, norm. This is the first real comment that we got. Love the podcast and look forward to it. Each week. We're off to a good start with this comment people and I really like this guy. Uh he goes on to say, I am wondering what you would recommend for a center channel. In this setup we have dine audio audience, 50 bookshelf speakers from 1999 and a clips are 10 Wi sub. We added a couple of years ago. The receiver is a den on a VR X 2300 W Dine audio no longer makes the audience line. And I am planning on getting new equipment in 5 to 6 years after a remodel but I'm unsure what brand I would ultimately go with at that time. What would be a good option for the near term. Thank you. I love this comment for one. He's given us a lot of the information we would want to make a recommendation. Like if he, if mike from Mike juan called in and talk to an advisor, the advisor would ask him what receiver he's using. He tells us that he's telling us what is his future plans. What does he want to do? What does he have now? Why does he want to add stuff? So it's a, it's a lot of really helpful information and so based off of that, here's what I came up with. Hi Mike. Thanks for reaching out to us. It's great to know that people are out there listening and enjoying our early episodes of Crutchfield, the podcast. As for your question, we had to do some digging to really give you the best answer we can. We did not carry Dine Audio back in 1999 so I did some Googling. I found that the audience fifties were replaced and redesigned several times since yours were manufactured. So to be 100% sure I had correct info for the speakers you have. I had to call Dine Audio directly. I spoke to our sales rep Mick Tillman and he assured me that Dine Audio still uses similar materials today for their soft dome tweeters as they did in your audience fifties. So a Dine audio center channel is likely the closest thing to a perfect voice match as you are going to find besides twitter materials. The other things to consider are the mid range or wool for size, the impedance of the speaker, the frequency response and the overall sensitivity. Your audience fifties are four ohm speakers with the sensitivity of around 87 DB with a 6.5 inch wool for their frequency response goes from 46 hertz up to 27 kilohertz. The current dine audio center channel that is closest to those specs would be the limit M 15 C the tweeters very similar as I said. The Wolfers are just a tad smaller, but there's two of them that drop down almost as low as your single 6.5 inch wolf fur on your fifties go. They are four ohm speakers with a sensitivity of 86 DB. So it's really doesn't get much closer than that as a match for your audience fifties and a center channel. I went on to say of course if you want to have a perfect voice matched front three home theater speakers, you want to upgrade those audience 50 speakers to something that can be matched exactly to a modern center channel. You can always use the older speakers elsewhere in the house or see how much you can get for them by selling them online. I can tell you from my googling that there's plenty of people willing to buy them. Uh and if you were to upgrade all three speakers, I'd recommend the done audio emit m 20 to go with that same center channel, this would give you upgraded tweeters Wolford's cabinet and crossover without changing the power and impedance and sensitivity equation really at all. So you get similar performance from your Denon receiver. So that was our answer to mike. I enjoyed talking to mike or I should say Mick from Dine Audio. Uh, he felt strongly that the audience 50s from 1999, probably at this point are much big r big time eclipsed by Diane Audio's current line of speakers and that our customer Mike is probably due for an upgrade of all of his speakers. Eric you looked very interested in all of that. We're doing some googling while I was, I'm just impressed by the uh, you know, that you did the bare minimum for research for this guy. Now, I'm really impressed with the amount of research you did on that. Um, you know, we'll have to have a talk if we start getting hundreds of comments, you know, for every episode as to how how we're gonna get. You might have to that's right. You might have to bring in the big guns. No, I love that answer. You know, quite often over time companies change the materials, find ways to make their speakers more efficient. Um, you know, designs change with the times as far as colors and finishes and things like that. Um, but at the end of the day, companies pride themselves on their, their sound. Um, and uh, it makes total sense to me that, uh, the best fit uh, today, even though it's not exactly the same speaker line, of course, this many years later, um, would still be a dying audio uh center channel. And that totally makes sense. I think that's an amazing uh, spot on recommendation. And I am surprised you came up with it without my help and I'm surprised and impressed. Well done. I did it all by myself. No help other than calling. Yeah, I did need their help. So thanks once again mike from mike juan for the comments. And I hope that helps. I hope that helps anybody else listening here before we wrap this thing up. Uh, I think since two out of three of us have our own personal podcast. I think we should, I just don't have time. You're gonna ask me to start my own personal podcast, see where this is going. I just don't have time chair. I was trying to leave you out of this part of the discussion by pointing out that you didn't have a podcast. And this was time for lex and me to shine. Uh, so lex, what's the name of your podcast and how can people find it? It's called the well of sound. It's available pretty much anywhere you can get podcasts. It is featured in an article about um, some of the podcasts that are happening within crutchfield. And I think by the time this, this episode drops, we, we can probably put the link to that article in the uh in the show notes. And for anybody interested my podcast, it's called Three Things with J. R. It's just me talking about three different thoughts that are in my head. Usually the first thing I talk about is some sort of deep thought deep, you know, it's kind of something serious, something meaningful to me. Thought thing number two is usually something about music. It could be whatever I'm listening to that day, what inspires me, what I'm excited about anything like that and thing number three is usually something ridiculous, silly or absurd eric. What is your podcast gonna be when you do have one, it's gonna be gold. That's what it's going to be enough. Said he's going to be the first of us three to have one of those spring loaded mic stands and we're gonna be so jealous. People are already talking about it. I have to say that's, that's been my favorite thing about all this is I know I realize musicians obsess over gear and they, you got to get the, the next guitar the next amp or you know, there's always a quest for the, for the perfect gear to create your sound and I've definitely caught that bug by podcasting is it's just wanting to try out all the stuff no doubt about it. I want, I want a different mix stand, I want better mix. I want a studio right now. Alright, I think this is just, did you say something? I just wanted to say? The best way to know when season two starts to come out or when we have bonus episodes, is to subscribe to the podcast, definitely. Uh rate the podcast, write a review of the podcast. Subscribe to the podcast. If you want this podcast to continue to flourish, then doing all of that helps. So more people can see it, more people hear about it. Uh and maybe we'll get Bill Crutchfield to talk to us about what gear he loves so much he put it in his house. Uh So please go ahead and do that. Thank you so much for listening. If you go to crutchfield dot com slash podcast, all the episodes are there, show notes, pictures, live. Thanks to products. You can post your comment there. It is the it is the home of this podcast, as Crutchfield dot com slash podcast. Thank you once again, everybody for listening. I'm jr signing off season one of Crutchfield, the podcast. We'll be back for some bonus eps and season two, we'll catch you next time.

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